ZvZ ^_^

[PyrK]

When in a match, where your opponent Picked Z, (you pick or not, can do it either way) I suggest trying this stradegy...

-First send overlord to scout
-second as sooon SOON as possible build a Spawning pool (you figure out how soon that is (might be after overlord, might be before depends on the player)
-Next thing you do, is you send a drone to scout the opposite way, KEEP BUILDING YOUR DRONES
- once you find your opponent, send all your drones at him (with suffeciant cash) and begin the creep process...

-BUILD ALL CREEP COLONIES EVERYWHERE UNTIL HE CANT STOP IT MUAHAHHAHAHA

-morph them ->>> Spawning pools

If they suspected your a protoss, they will have no spawning pool, and they would probably go 2-5 hateries then pool... if terran.. the same (most cases)

Best of luck, and be sure to tell your opponent once you get them built, that it was a goood game (its all about manners people)

[uNeeK]

i like that strategy, i love ZvZ because there are so many options you can do in the game. i have tried that strat before, and indeed it does work, because like PyrK said, he probably won't have a spawningpool by then, and his drones won't be able to kill off 5-8 (depending when you attack) sunkens :)

[StarZ]

You two are the types of people that make me stay awake at night cussing at sunk rushers >.<
Normally I make a pool the *latest* when the other player chooses zerg, because a "normal" zerg player will go for a pool after 2nd or 3rd hatch, but noooo, you evil people have to sunken rush me every freaking time >.< :mad: :mad: :mad:

[PyrK]

You two are the types of people that make me stay awake at night cussing at sunk rushers >.<
Normally I make a pool the *latest* when the other player chooses zerg, because a "normal" zerg player will go for a pool after 2nd or 3rd hatch, but noooo, you evil people have to sunken rush me every freaking time >.< :mad: :mad:

MUAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH PRECISELY :cool: :p

(i'm curious why u stay up alll night though)

[uNeeK]

Bah, just because some of us play Zerg, doesn't mean all we can do is sunken rush :(

[Arisen]

The problem with this strategy, besides it being gay, is that it is dependent on a fair amount of luck. if your oppenet is far away from you and manages to get a pool up before your units get there, your screwed.

[PyrK]

haha its not an, every game, strategy, its a strategy to use if your bored and the guy thinks he's all tuff doing 5 hatchery pool....

[Aj]

Or if its Gink, doing a 15 hatch, pool.

[KrYpTyK-ShRoOmI]

lol pyrk i love you. i use this strat almost every zvz but only with 1or2 sunkens. just to slow someone down not to kill cuz they freak iut and go all defense, plus if you hit mins with a couple lings (2-6) it makes it that much ezier a few minutes down the road when they still recovering ^_^

[angel.white]

this is double sunk rush, 1st vs the zerg, 2nd vz the toss

and 2nd game is sunk rush zerg (he chose so i scouted 4 him, saw his ovie @ 7.5 and knew he was @ 9) thenit uses my 2nd fav zerg strat, the infested cc ^_^ i get 2 this game :P

[Knight]

lol.. afro :P

you're just jealous

Z POWER w00T^^

[Aj]

Hey I did scv rush it one time and WON!!

Whos jealous now biatch;)

[Knight]

not against me you didnt ^^

[Aj]

Yes, it was a 2v2. I scouted you with like 12 hatcheries and just starting pool. I sent all my marines + SCV:)

[Knight]

rep?
..didnt think so..
and even if u have the rep i was messin around so :P

[Shadowz]

People seem to totally forget the nydus in ZvZ. Pretty simple. Most Z players bunch their ovies all in one spot. Usually its to the back of their main and off to the side a bit. Or on top of the main. In any case, it can be a pretty simple matter to get a nydus on someone. Best units I'd say to send through are lingz/defilers. If you know they're gonna screw ur nydus as it's made, just swarm their main and make your lingz target it so at least you're doing something useful even when your nydus is gone.

[Arisen]

mostly by the time u have nydus/defliers killing there main dosnt help much, specially if they counter

[PyrK]

I dunno, i LOVE nydus... and if you do Nydus, and they do counter, you can always nydus back :-D (thats also why you should be careful, go and come back...

(i dont get how their defilers would help them, all you need is... 8 zlings, defilers are now useless...)

[angel.white]

hah, got you all beat, i sunk rushed a toss, then nydused into his base onto my expansion, and then swarmed his nexus and killed it w/ zlings. :P

this was for a tournament 2, course it didnt hurt having tymz as my partner, i only had to give him enough time and then he would come through for me every time. hes just got great hydra mass, and hes versatile, like in this game he holds double zlot rush. very sexy.

[PyrK]

O_O




:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Spank]

for a NORMAL zvz where you dont sunken rush or ling the person one thing that people forget is ups. As soon as you get gas make sure you start getting ups because hydra/ling vs hydra/ling just 1 or 2 ups can make up for lack of about 20+ psi.

[angel.white]

tech is more important than ups. ups are only neccessary if your game is lasting > 16 min, and if you play right, it really shouldnt.

[Spank]

depends on what you mean by "right"

[angel.white]

by right i mean there isnt lots and lots of fighting and big battles and boring back and forth massing, but rather you have an idea and you make it work and the idea is a good 1 and your implementation is excellent, and as a result you finish him very quickly and dont need to play the game long enough for upgrades to be an issue

[Spank]

well its obvious you have no idea what 'right' is... ;)

[Shadowz]

mostly by the time u have nydus/defliers killing there main dosnt help much, specially if they counter


If you can have guards in 7-8, you can have a nydus and lingz/hydra in 7-8.

[angel.white]

If you can have guards in 7-8, you can have a nydus and lingz/hydra in 7-8.
or sunk rush in 2-4

[PyrK]

Well, if anyone wants to see a good example of a good Z mass...

Download TymZ's replays... they dont require alot of work to do... just steal it!!!

MAUHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH... not meant to be like this but it will be.... (i'm a jerk)

[Shadowz]

Or..........Learn to play Zerg by your very own self!!!

[Pating]

You two are the types of people that make me stay awake at night cussing at sunk rushers >.<
Normally I make a pool the *latest* when the other player chooses zerg, because a "normal" zerg player will go for a pool after 2nd or 3rd hatch, but noooo, you evil people have to sunken rush me every freaking time >.< :mad: :mad: :mad:

Vero, I didnt know that u stayed up at night thinking about starcraft:/ Poor u ;)

[XcomVic]

Sunk Rush is the shit:) 3-4 drones are enough..


at 7 drones, keep mining til u get 200...build pool, then tak 3-4 drones, and scout the rest of the place (make you they are hot keyed), then when u find him, get out of sight of ovies and wait til you regroup and send all 4 drones down, and get his ass:)


works very well, btw keep getting drones and ovies, then make a hatch.... send ling after sunks...to finish it off...

[angel.white]

when i sunk rush i have ovie scout, go 9 drones, pool, 3 drones at same time as pool starts go out scouting. if you find them in 1 of the 1st 4 places you scout (3 drones 1 ovie) then you will pretty much get creeps to finish warping just as spawn pool gets done, and then you can get 3 zreglings and combine sunk rush w/ zergling rush.

[MonGo]

Bah, just because some of us play Zerg, doesn't mean all we can do is sunken rush :(

My zerg is better then ur zerg

[PyrK]

My zerg is better then ur zerg


my dick is bigger then your dick... who cares? :D

i keed kids.. i dont know how big his euro dick is ;)

[Pating]

when i sunk rush i have ovie scout, go 9 drones, pool, 3 drones at same time as pool starts go out scouting. if you find them in 1 of the 1st 4 places you scout (3 drones 1 ovie) then you will pretty much get creeps to finish warping just as spawn pool gets done, and then you can get 3 zreglings and combine sunk rush w/ zergling rush.

I love u angel =D

[Pating]

[QUOTE=PyrK]my dick is bigger then your dick... who cares? :D

My dick is the biggest!

[XP_Luda2002]

i call my sunk rush a version of the bunk rush :)

on a z v z i get like 4 drones and bring 6 lings with me and bring them to the top of their main hatch. for me it i use it to stall but hell if they suk it works :)

[uRaNuS]

sunken rush, been done..
Zlot rush... done...
Rine rush.... done..
Bunk rush.... done..
ling rush.... done...
Fbat rush.... done...
Probe rush... done...
"what probe rush?" ;) F)s(D_warlord has officially ( at least in my book) done the VERY first probe rush! he didn't cannon, he didn't do anything ne one has ever done before. This is the coolest rep ever:

[angel.white]

that was a zealot rush, if you wanted to, you could maybe add pylon rush to it, both of which have been done.

[gM.BlinX]

Never done a Sunk rush has had it done to me though

[Aj]

mostly by the time u have nydus/defliers killing there main dosnt help much, specially if they counter
A little late, but oh well: ZvZ games are rather expensive:) You can easily get defilers and what not in 9 minutes, I'm sure you're income will matter then. When I used to play nr20 ZvZ alot. (The mass wars never lasted more than 5 minutes:)) but thats beside the point, they get VERY expensive, because you're whole army reproduces at once. Losing you're main hive shatters your chances of winning, like that fucker Xcom did to me. Xcom we got to re that (was like 2 years ago, but for the record!!!!).

DEFILERS OWN (thats all I have to say).

[Arisen]

other day i was playing PPvZZ (im toss of course) vs some east clan or the other, i massed z/arb/reaver and the guy put cloud over his hydras...z's get there and owned..
bit off topic..but oh well

lings > hydra/defiler
hydra/defiler > ..nothing :(
ling/deflier > everything! cept gaurds and reavers ^^

[Shadowz]

A little late, but oh well: ZvZ games are rather expensive:) You can easily get defilers and what not in 9 minutes, I'm sure you're income will matter then. When I used to play nr20 ZvZ alot. (The mass wars never lasted more than 5 minutes:)) but thats beside the point, they get VERY expensive, because you're whole army reproduces at once. Losing you're main hive shatters your chances of winning, like that fucker Xcom did to me. Xcom we got to re that (was like 2 years ago, but for the record!!!!).

DEFILERS OWN (thats all I have to say).



Watch this replay and check my "Total Spent" on end stats. It's TvZ, but comparable to a ZvZ mass-fest. It's amazing how much gas and $ you go through, and I tell you now, losing your main at any time with Zerg, will hurt. Not primarily because of the $ factor, but for the GAS! Lingz will only hold for so long, or not at all, if it's vs guards or something. Anyways, watch this and see yourself how badly it would have hurt if I lost my main. Apart from that, it's a damn sexy rep :cool:

[Arisen]

i havent watched it, but anything with your zerg has got to be ugly! you and totem play almost exactually the same..so gay

[angel.white]

plus a zerg losing their main also loses their tech to a certain extent, anyway they have to reetech a hatch up to a hive, that sux if they havent gotten adrenaline glands and greater spire and defiler den going.

[uRaNuS]

that was a zealot rush, if you wanted to, you could maybe add pylon rush to it, both of which have been done.Fine fine, I thought it was an original move to attack with the pylon, he nearly killed the CC! the zlot rush wouldn't have been neccessary if the other guy hadn't gotten that rine and killed the probe. But ne way it was funny to watch.

[MonGo]

Or if its Gink, doing a 15 hatch, pool.

he only did 6 vs me:(

[Shadowz]

i havent watched it, but anything with your zerg has got to be ugly! you and totem play almost exactually the same..so gay


I would expect this comment from you. Not appropriate however, considering my Zerg would probably beat any of your races. And define how my Zerg is "ugly"? You mean the build? The units? What?! I ask that you play my Zerg before you comment on how ugly it is. Is it ugly because it wins? By the way, something unknown to you, being an Easty and all, I win 95% of my games without touching anyones minerals and gas, whilst having mine hit at all times. So I'm sorry if my build/units upset you, but when you're running the whole game on low resources, being "pretty" is the last thing I'm concerned with.

If anyone's Zerg is messy, it's MonGo, but he's like, the best Zerg around, so you wont say nothing will you? If it's effective, I couldn't care how it looks.


Peace.

[(XC)KeFu01]

No good player will you beat using this build.. and he must be very close to your base.. the best build vs random is 2/3 hatch spawning pool.

[uRaNuS]

that was a zealot rush, if you wanted to, you could maybe add pylon rush to it, both of which have been done.
Actually, i did rush him with 1 probe, it didnt kill him but it sure pissed him off...

[BuGGa]

Another fun strategy is to 5 hatch before you get a pool and just start massing the lings ;)