Zvp???!!!??!?!?! [Archive] - Starcraft Dream

PrEdAtOr

05-14-2005, 08:04 PM

damn fags always c rush no matter what... wha to do?
Make 1 hatcherie,then spawn,and make some sunks so that you have place to build some hatcheries,but that hatcheries can't be attacked by cannons

KaBaL

05-14-2005, 08:22 PM

damn fags always c rush no matter what... wha to do?Heres a good rep

eNtitY~

05-14-2005, 09:03 PM

Me vs Samba, he c-rushed. ZvP

Me vs FrostGt1[Ppf] c-rushed ZvP

Opi

05-14-2005, 09:05 PM

you say "gg" and leave.....thats what i do. :)

KrYpToNiTe.

05-14-2005, 09:20 PM

You just mass sunkens + Lings ;)

Fox

05-14-2005, 09:37 PM

Make 1 hatcherie,then spawn,and make some sunks so that you have place to build some hatcheries,but that hatcheries can't be attacked by cannonsdoesnt work by now there therre with 1 z ;/

PrEdAtOr

05-14-2005, 09:43 PM

doesnt work by now there therre with 1 z ;/
Not for me,if they cr,they rarely have 1 z

Fox

05-14-2005, 09:44 PM

Heres a good repthat wasnt a c rush....

Fox

05-14-2005, 09:45 PM

Me vs Samba, he c-rushed. ZvP

Me vs FrostGt1[Ppf] c-rushed ZvP\
1. cr's dont come 5 mins into game -,-
2, "The the scenario selected is not valid" ???

Fox

05-14-2005, 09:46 PM

Not for me,if they cr,they rarely have 1 zI mean if they have a z and if there anygood they will...

gS_Macmanus

05-14-2005, 10:17 PM

I mean if they have a z and if there anygood they will...To tell you the truth :/ That is the 1 strat that I've died to countless times with my Z... I have no IDEA

sLeeT

05-14-2005, 11:05 PM

cause u cant get the dam cannons because the lots own your lings and by tHen itS to LATE!!!!!!@!!

uRaNuS

05-14-2005, 11:11 PM

sLeeT

05-14-2005, 11:12 PM

sleet's experiences with fronting with zerg hasnt worked to well. If your playing anyone smart they'll just run through or get a fast lot and own ur early D... =/

Fox

05-14-2005, 11:41 PM

Don't build your hatcheries in an even row, build them all around, with sunkens near each one so they can't push in. Scout with ovies so you can see probe coming and be prepared.

You can also try fronting. Rarely will they have a probe, forge, and zealot so fast that they can kill your front.You dont have sunks yet..... if you did it would be easy the z kills ur buildign colony ot drone.... its impossible to defendd....

Opi

05-15-2005, 11:03 AM

you pick P next time and CR them back... :)

Duke

05-16-2005, 12:13 PM

You dont have sunks yet..... if you did it would be easy the z kills ur buildign colony ot drone.... its impossible to defendd....
you're stupid.. you're probably just horrible at zerg.

play my z, try and cannon push me, I'll spank you. then you have a replay.

SlinkY

05-16-2005, 12:14 PM

Cannon pushing is way fun to do to zerg, but my god, it isnt hard to stop i agree with Duke, they are called sunks/zlings. Use them.

Fox

05-16-2005, 05:27 PM

Cannon pushing is way fun to do to zerg, but my god, it isnt hard to stop i agree with Duke, they are called sunks/zlings. Use them.fuking moron you dont have sunks.... maybe behind tyour hatches but hy the time they get ther your hattchs havnt even finished so you cant build sunks out... moron lings suck ass and are completely useless in the game unlees like 100 ;-( which you dont have 4 mins into game idiot

pen

05-16-2005, 05:40 PM

how about hatchery -> spawn > hatchery -> sunks and 4 zerglings, that does the dtrick for me

Fox

05-16-2005, 05:53 PM

how about hatchery -> spawn > hatchery -> sunks and 4 zerglings, that does the dtrick for meits what i try to do but sumtimes they are there before you have lings or ur hatch is done so u cant hav sunks in range cause ther zs will kill ur lingss...

pen

05-16-2005, 09:11 PM

ok, this is vs a standard single nex zealot rush with 4 gates.
1. 9 drones and make an ovy. (hotkey your 9th drone)
2. when ur 9th drone mined minerals twice, go make a hatchery
3. now you have 8/9 psi, so get a drone
4. when ur ovy is made, make another drone
5. your re-made 9th drone (from step 3) make spawning pool.
6. mine ~ make some hatches, sunks, couple lings, wutever, just make sure ur creep colony is made just when ur spawning pool is made. a good timing is to build creep cololny when ur spawning pool is 3/4th done, saves time + money.

now this is vs my middle build strat (zealot rush + probe rush)
ur best bet is to ling rush me, but if that dont work, just type gg and get out just to save time. ^^

Doom

05-16-2005, 10:57 PM

stalife is gosu pvz..

xX.MaGuS.Xx

05-17-2005, 10:16 AM

lol guys, all you have to do is build in a column?

when i get home(im in a web design class) ill post a rep of my zerg.

i build up instead of across; its good vs terran, cr etc... it will give you enough time to get to hydras or guards if necessary

but then again, zergs my worst so ya...

<edit> im home, heres are 2 reps:
vs swarm im in the top base, it shows how i build up there
vs foda im in the left base and he goes temps/z's and late game goons

have fun

StIpO-

06-03-2005, 01:11 PM

get like 2 lings and send to choke and scout early around your base to catch him with his pylon only

ujackedmyname

08-03-2005, 08:13 PM

its a cannon push not a cannon rush arg! cannon push is gosu btw woOt

ujackedmyname

08-03-2005, 08:14 PM

magnus has best idea go with him plz

AssCobra

08-03-2005, 08:28 PM

if you die to cannon rush or cannon push with zerg then ur a fucking newbie
end of tread and discussion

~AssCobra~

ERICK..

08-03-2005, 09:07 PM

Sunks plus lings....

MoXy-

08-03-2005, 10:35 PM

Soljah

08-05-2005, 08:37 AM

This is what I do...this is from memory so it might be off... ;-/

1 hatch then my pool, put an ovy at entrance so i see probe, if i see its not gone in about 3 seconds then i start to sunk where cans would go, then i fast tech to guards while getting hatches behind base and some spores, get dras if needed vs goons, get guards asap afterwards..once the cannon base is gone its pretty much good game becasue by then your money should be well over 10k from waiting to attack...

lol gosh.. teching to guards asap is seriously dumb against protoss, you will get outmassed. the fastest i've seen somebody asap guards is about 8 minutes and that's with not that many hatches, by the 8 minute mark a solid P player would be maxed (or almost maxed) and you'd be dead in 1 attack. gg.

MoXy-

08-05-2005, 02:52 PM

soljah...that was vs a cannon protoss...one that cannons your entire base... :-/
vs any normal protoss i woudl do something totally different...want the explentation

MAKAVELLIAN

08-06-2005, 07:52 AM

when you build your first hatch, put it @ the choke that will give u vision of anythin that goes in and if they dont find you yet, u can get some d to prevent a probe to go in. but if u dont choke and stick with building in your base, vsing a good toss will be hard. they can get like 20 z's and just contain u so you wont be able to build that much hatches, and building 10 canons or so wont slow them down much, when ur teching,massing, or trying to drop n expo, theyd probably be maxed (good toss prolly 8 min max with the cannons with some tech)
what i do is i put a hatch at my choke which will block most c rushes, if they find you and start building pylons just go for the probe with drones and build creeps(they build faster thn cannons) and build a sunk at ur choke when hatch is done, u should be able 2 live as long as you kill the probe or scatter 3-4 sunks around your main
to me, zvp is pretty hard becuz p can fuck you kinda lot with just plain massing

red-smurf is a funny guy

08-09-2005, 11:28 AM

if u lose to a c-push zvp ur a newb. the real prob is when they hole up like bitch behind cannons, temps, reavs, sairs, arbs. it is damned near impossible to win. once u break thru jus a lil, they effin have new units coming out and push u out again.

gM.BlinX

08-11-2005, 01:55 AM

as stalife would say.. type " gg " and gtfo

gS_Macmanus

08-11-2005, 02:07 AM

:eek: :eek: :eek: MASS SUNKS AND LINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!! DONT LET THEM COME IN AND TURTLE LIKE MONGO!!!!!!!

dirtyPANDAjizz

08-11-2005, 11:35 AM

kinda easy just sunks ever were

94integra

08-16-2005, 04:21 AM

you would have to be a fucking idiot . first of all. building across is noobish. be creative. make your hatches all over with sunks in every other place. i understand its a cannon push not rush. if u keep a good scout of your base. you would know they are trying to pull some bullshit like that. god damn. im reading nonstop posts about stupid shit. WTF. scout your base. if you choke your front. they cant cannon push??? DUH if you build str8 across they can do it to you. but not if your keepin a ovie out there or something. its your base not his. keep a eye on it. OR. dont be a little bitch and defend.. and go around cannons if possible and take his main. i bet his little bitch ass wouldnt push any farther... YA HEAR ME. now fuckin go out there and stop being noobish about this easy ass shit to stop.. GOD DAMN.

love fishy

R00STER

08-16-2005, 10:20 AM

Fishy, you have to probably be one of the biggest morons I have ever seen on this site, your stupidity probably whelms over the man, Uber, himself.
Even the best players on this game can be cornered by a c push or rush. The question isnt how to avoid it because thats alittle too late when youre staring at ten fucking hundred of them building. First step is to stall their cpush. You have to control the positions of your base and limit the size of it.. Hatches everywhere doesnt fucking do shit. Place hatches on top of your mineral field and than proceed to build 2-3 sunkens over limited areas (id say a hatchery should be able to fit in between the 2). That way that stalls them from progressing on their cpush. Following this, you should mass your men; limited lings and mass hydralisks /w upgraded distance. Attack the cannons at an ideal location, lets say from up to down or down to up so that youre only taking on maybe 6 cannons instead of lines stacked in front of your army.

Crucial

11-19-2005, 11:53 PM

This mine replay back like 6 months ago my nobb days :)
Personally i like getin Crushed when ZvP

TempLar

11-20-2005, 07:07 AM

make 1 hatch in front of ur "door" and make sunkens behind the hatch to block the opening :D...
then just try ur own strat
like mass lings or
mass hydra
or mass mmuta
or muta &*guards
or guards or
whatever :D

Aggress

11-20-2005, 10:33 AM

']make 1 hatch in front of ur "door" and make sunkens behind the hatch to block the opening :D...
then just try ur own strat
like mass lings or
mass hydra
or mass mmuta
or muta &*guards
or guards or
whatever :D

if you do this and p is next to you with a rushing strat you lose.

TempLar

11-20-2005, 10:38 AM

if you do this and p is next to you with a rushing strat you lose.
depends how fast p rushes...
also build some sunkens near base :D

Aggress

11-20-2005, 10:39 AM

']depends how fast p rushes...
also build some sunkens near base :D

there is this thing called minerals. lack of minerals disables your ability to build anything you want anytime you want, because they require minerals. get it? thus, you can't afford an early hatch, a spawning pool ,and 12 sunkens 3 minutes into the game.

TempLar

11-20-2005, 10:42 AM

there is this thing called minerals. lack of minerals disables your ability to build anything you want anytime you want, because they require minerals. get it? thus, you can't afford an early hatch, a spawning pool ,and 12 sunkens 3 minutes into the game.
hmmz maybe ur right :D
but as i said it depends on how fast the opponent attacks..
when its a 2on2 game or 3on3 or 4on4 u have the time...
1on1 u dont :D
with 1on1 if u have zvp, just leave :D cuz u are chanceless if he rushes :D

Aggress

11-20-2005, 10:45 AM

']hmmz maybe ur right :D
but as i said it depends on how fast the opponent attacks..
when its a 2on2 game or 3on3 or 4on4 u have the time...
1on1 u dont :D
with 1on1 if u have zvp, just leave :D cuz u are chanceless if he rushes :D

z has advantage over p if thery are far away. and of course we're talkin bout 1v1 go read first thing he's talking bout c rushes.

TempLar

11-20-2005, 10:50 AM

z has advantage over p if thery are far away. and of course we're talkin bout 1v1 go read first thing he's talking bout c rushes.
when p is unlucky with scouting z still has a chance :D
mass hatch and mass creatures and z is strong :D

once i had 2on2 and it was ppvzz..
i and my ally were p, the opponents were z...
1 z was rushed and died easily...
but the other z we couldnt find...
and when we found him he was super strong and pumped non-stop..
if i hadnt had templars he had owned 1n2 :D
really z can be strong :D

but of course...
in 1on1 it much harder for z..

Aggress

11-20-2005, 10:57 AM

']when p is unlucky with scouting z still has a chance :D
mass hatch and mass creatures and z is strong :D

once i had 2on2 and it was ppvzz..
i and my ally were p, the opponents were z...
1 z was rushed and died easily...
but the other z we couldnt find...
and when we found him he was super strong and pumped non-stop..
if i hadnt had templars he had owned 1n2 :D
really z can be strong :D

but of course...
in 1on1 it much harder for z..

in my opinion z is best 1v1....if they get to build up they are gonna own you and in 2v2 you just double them early in game and watch them die.

TempLar

11-20-2005, 10:59 AM

in my opinion z is best 1v1....if they get to build up they are gonna own you and in 2v2 you just double them early in game and watch them die.
in 2on2 games ive had all ppl w8ed until they had many creatures and didnt dare to attack fast...
or they kill 1 player while the other player, the z, stays alive :D and builds up until he owns in 1n2 :D