Middle Build

[pen]

I'm sure there were ppl in the past who tried building in middle, but right now, i think im most known with the toss middle build. alotta ppl have asked me to teach them, so here are the steps + things u need to remember
honestly, i havent lost many games with this strat, maybe about 6 total out of about 100 games. i think that's a good ratio.

1. 5th probe (first one coming out) goes to middle and build a pylon and u keep building probes, one in waiting list, or make a probe just as the probe's done
REMEMBER: once the probes gets to middle, the timing to build a pylon and have 1 probe in waitin list is perfect when ur at corner, but for middle bases, u mite not wanna have probe in waitin list, instead, build pylon first, then build ur 7th or 8th probe (not sure wut the probe count is).

2. after ur done building pylon, scout one of the middle bases, NESW. once u scout the base, come back to middle and build a gateway.
REMEMBER: keep building probes one in waiting list

3. after building GW, scout another middle base, comeback, then build two or three more gateways depending on what u feel like doing. either 9th or 10th probes from nexus come out and scouts more bases. and build a pylon at some random place u can find. while scouting.

4. build a zealot in gateway, build one more pylon. by this time u should have scouted 6/7 places. if u found the opponent, build random pylon at his base and attack his workers w/ ur two probes
REMEMBER: the probe attack is just to harass ur enemy, if u kill 1~2 workers, that's just about as good as u can get. and when they get workers out to attack, pull back, then attack again. this will fuck them up from normal strat they use (b/c of money shortage, timing, etc.)

5. keep building pylons and zealots.
pvz: attack as soon as u have one zealot, then keep adding zealots to ur attack (probe + zealot = 2 hits each = dead drone)
pvt and pvp: wait for more zealots to gather. u mite wanna get cannons for pvp if u built 3 gateways total.

6. if this dont seem to work, tech up and buy some time with cannon. be creative.

well there are more variations to this strat which will take too long to explain, etc. but i find the three GW build most fun to work with, if u do fast gas with it. u can have all sorts of fun using templars, archons, arbs, etc.

ill post some replays of this example.

advantages: faster rush, faster scout, more vision of the map, fun, get to do whatever the fuck you want

disadvantages: ur main is open for attack, but if u scout well, and feel insecure, of course u build cannons around ur base, not so much tho.
sometimes u mite get confused with ur bases cuz... u have more buildings in the middle and u gotta focus on probe building.. unit production in middle.. etc. i hotkey my nexus, two probes, and one or two of the gateways.

[Byakuya]

Me and hyperflea used to use a 2s strat that worked very well when we both done a middle build.

[Sir.Hanz]

This is really interesting stalife... i like this style, its risky anf d offensive which made the game fun... not like 2 people playing a turtle game. It's your copright style.

[pen]

haha thx, once i had a pvp vs samba where we both used the same strat, i knew he was gonna use that, and i thought it'd be fun doing same thign at once. but i expo reavered and killed him.

[Sir.Hanz]

LoL got that replay? Should be fun to watch..

[pen]

i just found the replay, it's pretty funny lol i dont do the middle strat, but i build at an entrance of an empty base to make him think im there. and i expo build elsewhere. tricky tricky

[Drea]v[]

Would this be effective with terran?

[darkkefu]

v[']Would this be effective with terran? Barracks in mid of map only work vs Zerg (TvZ) and yet again you need to have goon peon management and macro for it to work.

[Masta Shake]

I will try it out sometime soon, and tell my friend to do the same.

[pen]

barracks in the middle is a very good rush strat. i went 19-6 with this strat. tvp's and tvz's. i havent had tvt's with it tho. but i stopped using it cuz it's either u finish the game in 5 minutes, or it's very hard to recover and go long game.

[dRaMa~]

wtf is macro

[H3J2O]

I think your toss would be much better if you built in ur own base.

[pen]

i wrote all that down b/c now i can cope with building in my base and buildin in middle. when i was exploring with the middle build strat, i never built in my base, but now i can do both equally well (from some 2v2's) but my massing's still a huge problem in fmp.

[Masta Shake]

I mass pretty quick, that is what I aim for during a game. Not building.

[eNtitY~]

Long ago, in Round 2 of a Tournie.

S)X-2HoT and S)X-R0bby did a duel middle build and cannoned me in. Trying to single us out vs me and Deap.

Basically, it didn't work too wel for them. Deap dropped them ezily becuz they were miinly focused on the middle and when they double Deap they got knowwhere and same when they doubled me.



Also me and Samba Tried this vs G)A-. I dont think its good or smart, unless you can kill them from the rush.

[A.Z.]

This strat looks fun. I should try it today :)

[Byakuya]

ive never lost with it before ^_^

[Kai]

me either...(0 attempts with it thus far)

[Masta Shake]

me either...(0 attempts with it thus far)
Lol, I am about to play a game of SC with my friend, I guess we can try it.

[Samba]

Simon ;) i should post that old replay where it was a race to elimination u had mass bcs and i had 12 goons ;) Now that would give everyone a laugh











Matter of fact i will......

[Byakuya]

hahahahahha samba that replay is hillarious.



Now i might actually want to dl it to watch :)

[pen]

after i posted this, ppl have been tryin it on me...; tvp's and zvp's.. i must admit the zealot rush is not very pleasant when im zerg.. :(

[rW.MaRio]

I think your toss would be much better if you built in ur own base.
haha ur an idiot...u must not understand the speed of having units pop out from the middle....if ur pvz and u do that build...u got zealots in there base so fast its not fun..

[pen]

rw.mario ! vgt me dman it

[Byakuya]

after i posted this, ppl have been tryin it on me...; tvp's and zvp's.. i must admit the zealot rush is not very pleasant when im zerg.. :(


Thats what you get :D

[eNzo]

Oooh. I'm gonna use and improvise on these strats. :D
Thanks stalife. You're so ownage. :eek:
Speaking of WesT) .. has sharkys been on recently?

[Anjo]

i like your style stalife :)

[InvincibilitY]

haha ur an idiot...u must not understand the speed of having units pop out from the middle....if ur pvz and u do that build...u got zealots in there base so fast its not fun..
Or, you could keep ur 5th probe, use it for more minerals, build close to home, have the gates finish b4 the ones would in mid, and walk the extra 3 seconds to ur choke.

Just a thought

[Anjo]

Or, you could keep ur 5th probe, use it for more minerals, build close to home, have the gates finish b4 the ones would in mid, and walk the extra 3 seconds to ur choke.

Just a thought every second is importent :)

[Masta Shake]

after i posted this, ppl have been tryin it on me...; tvp's and zvp's.. i must admit the zealot rush is not very pleasant when im zerg.. :(
That is what happens when you give out your strat to some of the best people on SC.

[pen]

well i havent lost to someone who used my middle build, just cuz i know exactly how much mineral he has at what timing, etc. i know when to attack, what he's doing exactly, etc. closest person almost beatin me was tankturk, in zvp. his zealot came in and i had no sunk..;

[Drea]v[]

Its actually very effective, I've only lost 1 game using the middle build as protoss. I lost pvz because i took too long to get templars. But its very effective. Thanks stalife for the help :).

[Happy]

Hmm.. I'll watch one or two of the reps and try it out.

[InvincibilitY]

every second is importent :)
hm.. I disagree. FPM is more about minutes :D

[Smooth]

Hehe... Okay, play anyone, even a noob on FPM. Don't build for a few minutes, and see who wins.

[Funky]

I used this versus my 1v1 partner and won. :)

[Byakuya]

I thought your 1v1 partner was the computer ;)

[Funky]

Actually it's Drea]v[ aka LosT-Shadow- aka TechBasher(Qi) :) newbie.

[Byakuya]

Oh, then its even worse than the computer ;)

[pen]

hm.. I disagree. FPM is more about minutes :D
more about minutes? i think it matters on ANY map of each second. especially in early game when ppl are just building up the basic buildings (hatchery, barrack, etc.), zealots own in early game, and having these zealots at least 5~6 seconds (time that takes ur zealots to go to middle) earlier into the game is a huge advantage.

[NiGhT]

I'm sure there were ppl in the past who tried building in middle, but right now, i think im most known with the toss middle build. alotta ppl have asked me to teach them, so here are the steps + things u need to remember
honestly, i havent lost many games with this strat, maybe about 6 total out of about 100 games. i think that's a good ratio.

1. 5th probe (first one coming out) goes to middle and build a pylon and u keep building probes, one in waiting list, or make a probe just as the probe's done
REMEMBER: once the probes gets to middle, the timing to build a pylon and have 1 probe in waitin list is perfect when ur at corner, but for middle bases, u mite not wanna have probe in waitin list, instead, build pylon first, then build ur 7th or 8th probe (not sure wut the probe count is).

2. after ur done building pylon, scout one of the middle bases, NESW. once u scout the base, come back to middle and build a gateway.
REMEMBER: keep building probes one in waiting list

3. after building GW, scout another middle base, comeback, then build two or three more gateways depending on what u feel like doing. either 9th or 10th probes from nexus come out and scouts more bases. and build a pylon at some random place u can find. while scouting.

4. build a zealot in gateway, build one more pylon. by this time u should have scouted 6/7 places. if u found the opponent, build random pylon at his base and attack his workers w/ ur two probes
REMEMBER: the probe attack is just to harass ur enemy, if u kill 1~2 workers, that's just about as good as u can get. and when they get workers out to attack, pull back, then attack again. this will fuck them up from normal strat they use (b/c of money shortage, timing, etc.)

5. keep building pylons and zealots.
pvz: attack as soon as u have one zealot, then keep adding zealots to ur attack (probe + zealot = 2 hits each = dead drone)
pvt and pvp: wait for more zealots to gather. u mite wanna get cannons for pvp if u built 3 gateways total.

6. if this dont seem to work, tech up and buy some time with cannon. be creative.

well there are more variations to this strat which will take too long to explain, etc. but i find the three GW build most fun to work with, if u do fast gas with it. u can have all sorts of fun using templars, archons, arbs, etc.

ill post some replays of this example.

advantages: faster rush, faster scout, more vision of the map, fun, get to do whatever the fuck you want

disadvantages: ur main is open for attack, but if u scout well, and feel insecure, of course u build cannons around ur base, not so much tho.
sometimes u mite get confused with ur bases cuz... u have more buildings in the middle and u gotta focus on probe building.. unit production in middle.. etc. i hotkey my nexus, two probes, and one or two of the gateways.
getting middle left or middle right is worst situation possible in a pvp especially if you're playing against someone really good. middle bottom or top is decent spot for mass but middle right or left just messed u up, and its hard to choke when you're middle, just tech fast and storm if you're middle

[BathingApe]

only time i use middle build is when im going fast reavers :D i cannon up the middle

[CRiPiKAH~BkD]

ay masta shake do u play ff-11 too i think i rap battled u b4 ROFL
ay Luca u think u ca make me signature majig kinda like urs jus not the metroid gurl

[TempLar]

nice strat....
u can even win with 4 gateways in beginning.....
i can't
i always automatically build about 8 at begin...
then 16...
then 24...

[TempLar]

doesnt really work...
I tried this strat 2x now and i lost 2x
i did what you said...
but 1x my base got destroyed by rush.. (replay)
-.-
Other time didnt work as well..

[aRCilLa]

lol nice job templar mjmj

[TempLar]

u watched rep?

[aRCilLa]

yes i thought that was going to be funny, and it was :)

[Shocker]

Templar[bb], you're the worst player ever. Rep says it all.

[Shocker]

Well, I'll give you some credit: at least the replay shows clearly you never hacked lol

[Duke]

']doesnt really work...
I tried this strat 2x now and i lost 2x
i did what you said...
but 1x my base got destroyed by rush.. (replay)
-.-
Other time didnt work as well..

lmao, it takes some type of ability to compensate for your opponent, to adapt, and a decent amount of micro.

i wouldnt expect you to be able to play well with any kind of strat, though, because on the 1v1 thread you said you've only played about 30.

[ujackedmyname]

shoker that comment was sexy lol

[TempLar]

another 1...
however i wasnt very concentrated as well...so it is worst ever...
i was kinda tired :D

[l[GeKKo]l]

if u play 2v2 its a very good tactic.. but it u have to be toss and ter.
terran makes whole base in middle and toss builds cannons and some gates there too ..
barracks and suplys block good and with turrets and cannons u can make a "very high standard def middle base"
hf&gl
;)

[bw]Terran]

Here's a good example of mid build in a 1v1 :D (actually what i do here is a little excessive but it works)
next one is pp vs XP, its not as through as the 1v1, but its a good example of how to use cannons in the middle effectively.

edit: wow i didnt know this thread was over a month old when i posted :X

those two reps are still sexy tho.

[CheLsEa]

another 1...
however i wasnt very concentrated as well...so it is worst ever...
i was kinda tired :D haeheaea templar, im super ghost;)

[Massy]

best build vr hands down

[Miner]

Terran;376001']Here's a good example of mid build in a 1v1 :D (actually what i do here is a little excessive but it works)
next one is pp vs XP, its not as through as the 1v1, but its a good example of how to use cannons in the middle effectively.

edit: wow i didnt know this thread was over a month old when i posted :X

those two reps are still sexy tho.

No big, I don't think people mind so much when you bump a strategy thread, it's only when someone bumps a three year old thread titled "LOL" that people get a little pissed :)

[MatuX]

Barracks in mid of map only work vs Zerg (TvZ) and yet again you need to have goon peon management and macro for it to work.
did it :D it worked.40874

[Tactics]

pff my Terran > all